Dragon Fan
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Post by Dragon Fan on Dec 3, 2007 18:48:00 GMT -5
Let me start by saying I am not a Hawaii fan (Go Irish).With that said let me say what a system the BCS is. What other ranking system puts an undefeated as a #10. I know I know Hawaii isn't in a major conference. I know their schedule is filled with a bunch of unranked opponents, but statistically speaking aren't the unranked opponents giving the #1 and #2 teams the most problems? Still they are one of the only teams to be undefeated. I say they should be given a chance at the title game, what else could happen? Oh that's right they might actually win and show that you don't have to be a major college to be competitive. Hawaii is only #3 in total yds, #2 in passing yds and only #1 in points scored. Too bad they aren't able to bring in more money, because as it looks that is the only way you are going to go to the championship game.
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Post by frostbite on Dec 4, 2007 14:15:29 GMT -5
it always has been a popularity contest, what do you think all the polls are in the first place? i don't know why anyone is surprised at the outcome because when it comes down to letting coaches and media vote on who is better than whom, they are going to revert back to tradition and leave out schools from smaller conferences that won't be able to draw like osu and lsu can.
that being said, i'm a fan of one of the big football factories so i'm fine with it, i'm just not pretending that it's an injustice to the little guys when i knew how it would shake out all along.
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Post by Standard Deviation on Dec 4, 2007 14:39:01 GMT -5
The BCS is a JOKE! You cannot "Declare" a champion, you have to play for it. Until they have a playoff, all you have is an opinion as Champion. And opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.  |
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Post by The Grim Reaper on Dec 4, 2007 15:01:11 GMT -5
The BCS is a JOKE! You cannot "Declare" a champion, you have to play for it. Until they have a playoff, all you have is an opinion as Champion. And opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one. I agree Turf. Personally I think Hawaii and Kansas should be playing for it. Grant it Hawaii did not play "rated teams" but consider the travel the have to endure to play the games they do play on the mainland. Georgia will have there hands full with them. |
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Post by frostbite on Dec 5, 2007 0:15:51 GMT -5
kansas? what have you been smoking? why ON EARTH would a 1-loss kansas team be chosen over osu or lsu?
mizzou has a complaint that THEY should be in a bcs bowl over kansas, who couldn't even win their DIVISION let alone conference. osu and lsu both won their conferences!
hawaii can have a gripe bc they are undefeated. i don't think they are a top 2 team, but definitely top 10. but kansas? wtf?
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Post by Standard Deviation on Dec 5, 2007 8:09:11 GMT -5
I dont have a problem with Kansas. 11-1 and only lost to Missouri by a TD. thats not to shabby. And I would love to see Hawaii play anyone in the Championship. This BCS system is total crap.
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Post by The Grim Reaper on Dec 5, 2007 8:29:17 GMT -5
kansas? what have you been smoking? why ON EARTH would a 1-loss kansas team be chosen over osu or lsu? mizzou has a complaint that THEY should be in a bcs bowl over kansas, who couldn't even win their DIVISION let alone conference. osu and lsu both won their conferences! hawaii can have a gripe bc they are undefeated. i don't think they are a top 2 team, but definitely top 10. but kansas? wtf? OSU is a popularity vote as usual and LSU plays all there major conference games at home and will for the next 8 years. And last time I looked everybody but Hawaii had at least 1 loss. LSU has 2 (Kentucky and Arkansas) Besides OSU is 0-8 vs. the SEC so what kind of game do you think that will be anyway.  |
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Post by Gene on Dec 5, 2007 9:37:29 GMT -5
kansas? what have you been smoking? why ON EARTH would a 1-loss kansas team be chosen over osu or lsu? mizzou has a complaint that THEY should be in a bcs bowl over kansas, who couldn't even win their DIVISION let alone conference. osu and lsu both won their conferences! hawaii can have a gripe bc they are undefeated. i don't think they are a top 2 team, but definitely top 10. but kansas? wtf? OSU is a popularity vote as usual and LSU plays all there major conference games at home and will for the next 8 years. And last time I looked everybody but Hawaii had at least 1 loss. LSU has 2 (Kentucky and Arkansas) Besides OSU is 0-8 vs. the SEC so what kind of game do you think that will be anyway. ;D |
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Post by scooter on Dec 5, 2007 10:55:15 GMT -5
Hawaii is doing exactly what Boise St. did last season. And all they did was go to the Orange Bowl and beat Oklahoma in what turned out to be the best bowl game last year!
Hawaii also travels very well fan wise. So expect to see about half the state in a sea of green in the Superdome.
And on the plus side. The Warriors are expected to take in about $9.5 million for there appearance.
The teams annual football budget is around $2.2 million. Which the majority of is spent on travel. Although they have spent multiple weeks on the mainland between games this season.
Personally, I can't wait to see them kick the Bulldogs' A$$!!!
I would also like to see a playoff system replace the current bowl setup. I have thought about this since the second year of the BCS proved that the current system is flawed. I have a scenario that I think would work. But to explain it here would take forever to post.
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Post by The Picks Commissioner on Dec 5, 2007 19:24:32 GMT -5
Scrap the BCS and have a NCAA Sanction playoff. 32 or 64 team field have it run like the NCAA Basketball Tournament. It's ridiculous that perhaps the most talked about sport in America at the College level keeps screwing over teams who should be in the National Champion and other BCS Bowl Games.
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Post by 1stDownStorm on Dec 5, 2007 21:45:08 GMT -5
32 teams??? I think the top 10 would be fine. Here's my suggestion:
Take the top 10 teams in the current BCS standings. If any teams are undefeated and not in the top 10, they get in the playoffs. So, if there are 2 undefeated teams not in the top 10, the 10th and 9th ranked teams get knocked out of the playoffs. This way, all 120 teams can say they had a fair shot at getting to the playoffs. All games are at the site of the higher seed. 10 @ 7 and 9 @ 8 the week after the regular season ends. Week after, 8/9 @ 1, 7/10 @ 2, 6 @ 3, 5 @ 4. Then the semifinals. Then the championship and the rest of the season will be played in normal bowl format. All playoff teams are guaranteed a BCS Bid, and other bowl games will be decided right after the regular season. This is the playoffs this year with this setup:
December 8, 2007:
#10 Hawaii Warriors @ #7 USC Trojans (Los Angeles, CA)
#9 WVU Mountaineers @ #8 Kansas Jayhawks (Lawrence, KS)
December 15, 2007:
#8 Kansas Jayhawks @ #1 Ohio State Buckeyes (Columbus, OH)
#7 USC Trojans @ #2 LSU Tigers (Baton Rouge, LA)
#6 Missouri Tigers @ #3 Virginia Tech Hokies (Blacksburg, VA)
#5 Georgia Bulldogs @ #4 Oklahoma Sooners (Norman, OK)
Normal bowl game season starts December 20, however no games will be played on Semifinal Saturday (Dec 22).
December 22, 2007:
#4 Oklahoma Sooners @ #1 Ohio State Buckeyes (Columbus, OH)
#3 Virginia Tech Hokies @ #2 LSU Tigers (Baton Rouge, LA)
After the Semifinals, the winners advance to the championship, and the other 8 teams are selected by the BCS bowls in much the same way they are selected now, in order to preserve tradition. BCS games in this scenario (only one game is different):
Championship- Ohio State/LSU
Sugar- Georgia/Hawaii
Orange- Virginia Tech/Kansas
Fiesta- Oklahoma/West Virginia
Rose- USC/Missouri
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Post by frostbite on Dec 6, 2007 4:42:09 GMT -5
kansas? what have you been smoking? why ON EARTH would a 1-loss kansas team be chosen over osu or lsu? mizzou has a complaint that THEY should be in a bcs bowl over kansas, who couldn't even win their DIVISION let alone conference. osu and lsu both won their conferences! hawaii can have a gripe bc they are undefeated. i don't think they are a top 2 team, but definitely top 10. but kansas? wtf? OSU is a popularity vote as usual and LSU plays all there major conference games at home and will for the next 8 years. And last time I looked everybody but Hawaii had at least 1 loss. LSU has 2 (Kentucky and Arkansas) Besides OSU is 0-8 vs. the SEC so what kind of game do you think that will be anyway. i already pointed out its a popularity contest in my first post. the football factory schools will always get the benefit of the doubt from voters. you still haven't made a case for kansas. it took 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter to even bring them within 8 points of missouri in that one loss. none of kansas' W's have come against teams even receiving votes for the top 25. lsu played kentucky AT kentucky and alabama AT alabama this season when both teams were ranked #17. next season, AT auburn and AT florida, as well as AT ark. & s.c. AT georgia and AT 'bama in '09 - i see a trend here. i thought you said they play all their big conference games at home? |
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Post by frostbite on Dec 6, 2007 5:02:34 GMT -5
Hawaii is doing exactly what Boise St. did last season. And all they did was go to the Orange Bowl and beat Oklahoma in what turned out to be the best bowl game last year! amazing game, but it was the fiesta bowl. hawaii's AD estimates about 10,000 hawaii supporters will make it to new orleans and the majority of them will be alumni who live on the mainland. the WAC, as most conferences do, shares the revenue from bowl games. it's divided up evenly after expenses, and hawaii's expenses for new orleans will be very high. boise only had to go down to arizona for their bowl game last year and took home about $3.5mil. hawaii's take won't add up to much more than that after all is said and done. The teams annual football budget is around $2.2 million. Which the majority of is spent on travel. Although they have spent multiple weeks on the mainland between games this season. i hope they represent themselves well against georgia too. if its anything like last years fiesta bowl w/ boise, it should be a great game. if their goal was to find a true champion, then i agree that playoffs would be the best route. but div. 1a's priority is not crowning one true champ; it's about big money for the most people. one only has to look at the renaming of the divisions to see this: 1aa is the football championship subdivision - they play playoffs to determine a champ. 1a is the football BOWL subdivision, where they stage year-ending bowl games to make tons of cash to cover the massive expenses of 1a programs. did you know that schools like ohio state spend more money on their cheerleaders than most d2 schools do on their entire athletic budget, including football? |
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Post by frostbite on Dec 6, 2007 5:11:14 GMT -5
32 teams??? I think the top 10 would be fine. Here's my suggestion: Take the top 10 teams in the current BCS standings. If any teams are undefeated and not in the top 10, they get in the playoffs. So, if there are 2 undefeated teams not in the top 10, the 10th and 9th ranked teams get knocked out of the playoffs. This way, all 120 teams can say they had a fair shot at getting to the playoffs. All games are at the site of the higher seed. 10 @ 7 and 9 @ 8 the week after the regular season ends. Week after, 8/9 @ 1, 7/10 @ 2, 6 @ 3, 5 @ 4. Then the semifinals. Then the championship and the rest of the season will be played in normal bowl format. All playoff teams are guaranteed a BCS Bid, and other bowl games will be decided right after the regular season. This is the playoffs this year with this setup: December 8, 2007:#10 Hawaii Warriors @ #7 USC Trojans (Los Angeles, CA) #9 WVU Mountaineers @ #8 Kansas Jayhawks (Lawrence, KS) December 15, 2007:#8 Kansas Jayhawks @ #1 Ohio State Buckeyes (Columbus, OH) #7 USC Trojans @ #2 LSU Tigers (Baton Rouge, LA) #6 Missouri Tigers @ #3 Virginia Tech Hokies (Blacksburg, VA) #5 Georgia Bulldogs @ #4 Oklahoma Sooners (Norman, OK) Normal bowl game season starts December 20, however no games will be played on Semifinal Saturday (Dec 22). December 22, 2007:#4 Oklahoma Sooners @ #1 Ohio State Buckeyes (Columbus, OH) #3 Virginia Tech Hokies @ #2 LSU Tigers (Baton Rouge, LA) After the Semifinals, the winners advance to the championship, and the other 8 teams are selected by the BCS bowls in much the same way they are selected now, in order to preserve tradition. BCS games in this scenario (only one game is different): Championship- Ohio State/LSU Sugar- Georgia/Hawaii Orange- Virginia Tech/Kansas Fiesta- Oklahoma/West Virginia Rose- USC/Missouri very well thought out, save for the one major issue: too many games. some of these schools would be playing 16-17 games. usually take december off for a reason: finals. these guys are still in college for the most part. if div 1a's goal was to crown a true champ, a playoff is the only true solution, however i don't think that has ever been their goal. it's the press (AP polls, etc.) and the fans that want a champion. if you take most playoff scenarios, you only include 6 or 8 teams (or your 10 even) but this year with 32 bowls there are 64 schools playing postseason football. i don't agree that taking that away from the 50+ schools that don't make the "playoffs" is worth the effort of finding a champ that 9 times out of 10 we find anyway with the system the way it is. we have a weird season and everyone wants to tear it all down and rebuild a new system. now THAT'S weird. |
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Post by The Grim Reaper on Dec 6, 2007 14:27:05 GMT -5
lsu played kentucky AT kentucky and alabama AT alabama this season when both teams were ranked #17.
next season, AT auburn and AT florida, as well as AT ark. & s.c.
AT georgia and AT 'bama in '09 - i see a trend here. i thought you said they play all their big conference games at home?
You for got about Auburn, Fla., Ark, & SC this year. Georgia is not the team they were 2 years ago and Bama will never be the bama of old again. Florida is in a downward trend Ark. will/has peaked out and SC may never be. Besides loosing to a 17th rank team when your in the top 5 is piss poor don't you think. Oh yeah by the way I am a SC fan and don't mind seeing a SEC team in the Championship game, Just not LSU this year!!!
OSU would not be there if Ill. had beaten Iowa. Ill would be the big 10 champ. not OSU!!!!!!
the WAC, as most conferences do, shares the revenue from bowl games. it's divided up evenly after expenses, and hawaii's expenses for new orleans will be very high. boise only had to go down to arizona for their bowl game last year and took home about $3.5mil. hawaii's take won't add up to much more than that after all is said and done.
I don't know where you got this info from but it is wrong!!!!!!!!!!
Schools that play in bowl games DO NOT share revenues.
i see a trend here-------and its frostbitten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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