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Post by theherohimself on Apr 3, 2008 19:11:05 GMT -5
Okay, why was the AIFA facing challenges thread locked and had the messages deleted? It honestly seems counterproductive. We all want the AIFA to be the best indoor football league, and are interested in helping out anyway we can. One of those ways is to talk about it! If we can't even talk about the challenges, then it is beyond help. If the AIFA needs more money, who do you think is going to be there. Fans with the money... not someone who cares nothing about the league. If the league needs any type of help, people here will be the ones to step up!
All indoor leagues have their struggles, some admit them and try to fix them. Some put up smoke screens and act as if all is well. It is the same way with any type of sports leagues. From the AAFL to the TSYFL (Tri-state youth football league) to the AFL to the NFL. Trials make it better, if you can make it through them.
But the main question is why were the posts deleted? I for one want to help anyway I can. I devote some 40+ hours to the Huntington Heroes every week, for free. If I can do something for the league I will too. I am sure everyone on here has the same opinon I do on this topic.
PS- On the matter of the CIFL. While they have many things right, many are still wrong. But I would never want any of our teams to end up there, as I don't agree with the 7-on-7 format. I think it too, is counterproductive to try to re-invent indoor football when it is finally getting the respect it so rightfully deserves.
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Post by Gene on Apr 3, 2008 19:13:57 GMT -5
All i'll say is we all take our orders from someone....
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Post by robertboyd on Apr 3, 2008 19:37:35 GMT -5
As the person who started the "censored" thread, I'm going to chime in here also. I posted the thread to seek information.
We all know that in this industry, teams and thus the leagues face problems that the average businesses do not face. Its true that AIFA has had issues this year, but I view the issues that the have had as minor compared to previous years, especially with other leagues in the past. To be fair I dont follow the CIFL to know if they are making all the right moves, but all leagues have issues that need to be overcome and worked through, the AIFA is no different.
I dont believe in my view that the OSC story was objective and even worthy of an OSC posting. I expected better of OSC and surprised that they would allow such an attack piece to be posted.
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Post by gocavs1 on Apr 3, 2008 20:59:46 GMT -5
Interesting because a certain person here said they don't delete posts a while back. Hmmmm I really saw nothing in that thread that was bad. It's all public knowledge that anyone can find on the internet. hell the Simply Me TV is posted in htreads here already
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Post by UnoBomber on Apr 3, 2008 21:33:37 GMT -5
Oh give me a break! That thread was mild if anything. It's pretty sad that the AIFA have to censor their "official" board in order to keep their PUBLIC problems out of sight from an "investor".
Instead of trying to censor us, how about you start doing the little things and DO THEM RIGHT! That way, you won't have to worry about censorship M&M.
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Post by stingray53 on Apr 3, 2008 21:41:50 GMT -5
Yep it was mild and a fair discussion. But now I start to see why the posters at OSC slam this board. Undelete and unlock please.
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Post by Canton Cougar Fan on Apr 3, 2008 22:33:58 GMT -5
All i'll say is we all take our orders from someone....  1) A linked and verified article on a respected web site was posted and comments solicited for feedback. 2) Comments posted in reply were well known facts that have been pointed out in countless threads elsewhere on these boards. Therefore, IMHO, the locking and deletion of the thread is highly questionable and, if ordered by the league or league personnel, a direct violation of the "By the fans, for the fans" tag line that we hold so dear. |
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Post by picman on Apr 3, 2008 22:52:17 GMT -5
That what happens when you go from a fan site to an offical site of the league, that i believe was the beginning of the downfall of this site
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Post by Free Agent Fan on Apr 4, 2008 2:39:48 GMT -5
According to Reeths on OSC. That story has since changed because of untruth information. It was changed and/or deleted there.
If you paid attention to "certain peoples posts", any post that are edited/deleted are stated by whom and why. This board has been up almost 3 years. And I believe less than 5 posts have ever been changed or deleted.
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Post by Gene on Apr 4, 2008 5:51:22 GMT -5
Yep it was mild and a fair discussion. But now I start to see why the posters at OSC slam this board. Undelete and unlock please.
The decision to have this board be the "official" league board was a tough one as we FAB members knew things would eventually get as they are. Me personally, i figured it might be fun to give it a try but with the way things are i am more inclined to break away and just be an independent fan board. Its getting to be where i am walking on egg shells and its taking the fun out of being here. I believe once we open up the NFL Boards here that i'll just stay in that section since i cant have an objective opinion in any of the AIFA boards. By the way Ron, its not By the Fans for the fans anymore. Its "by the fans for the fans as directed by the league".  |
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Post by Sykotyk on Apr 4, 2008 6:07:44 GMT -5
True, a forum on the league site can be a lot worst (ex. NIFL). But either you're in bed with the league, or completely objective. Let's not all forget how this forum (aiflfans.proboards76.com) became the de facto forum for the AIFL/AIFA. It was because Haines was deleting posts regarding the Richmond playoff debacle. And then shut the whole thing down.
Either the league does it, or tells someone to do it by proxy, it's still the same problem.
As for Joe, I read that op-ed piece, and the information quoted was in other articles. I'd love to know what was implicitly untrue.
As for posts deleted, I've had many of my posts wind up missing, and I know I can't be the only one getting *bleeped* around here.
Sykotyk
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Post by robertboyd on Apr 4, 2008 7:35:08 GMT -5
According to Reeths on OSC. That story has since changed because of untruth information. It was changed and/or deleted there. If you paid attention to "certain peoples posts", any post that are edited/deleted are stated by whom and why. This board has been up almost 3 years. And I believe less than 5 posts have ever been changed or deleted. Yes, one paragraph appears to have a sentence or two deleted, it still doesnt appear accurate but when has that ever mattered to a reporter.. |
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Post by robertboyd on Apr 4, 2008 7:53:42 GMT -5
True, a forum on the league site can be a lot worst (ex. NIFL). But either you're in bed with the league, or completely objective. Let's not all forget how this forum (aiflfans.proboards76.com) became the de facto forum for the AIFL/AIFA. It was because Haines was deleting posts regarding the Richmond playoff debacle. And then shut the whole thing down. Either the league does it, or tells someone to do it by proxy, it's still the same problem. As for Joe, I read that op-ed piece, and the information quoted was in other articles. I'd love to know what was implicitly untrue. As for posts deleted, I've had many of my posts wind up missing, and I know I can't be the only one getting *bleeped* around here. Sykotyk Sykotyk, I first question the accuracy of several parts of the story, and second, I question the journalistic value/quality of the story.. There were several parts that I have to questions about. 1) The AIFA had the PERCEPTION of helping out troubled teams? Isnt that what they did? If your going to accuse them of not helping out troubled teams last year, then you need to be a reporter and list your source. 2) 8 teams foldedDid they really? Or were the ownership of 8 teams sold or transferred? And if so, why is that negative if the previous teams needed a helping hand, (or even worse, just the PERCEPTION of a helping hand) 3) Why did a bunch of money go floating a team? (as a reporter, that was his job to find out, he didnt, he simply went onto the next attack sentence) 4) Or did the money go into floating them?(Again, if he wants to be a reporter, its his job to verify this question, not just dangle it out there as if its a lie) 5) Simply Me does not make a team successful.. Beginning part is true.. but who said it did? If the AIFA relied on Simply Me Tv for teams to be successful, and then relied on the income from Simply Me Tv, to fund their teams, why the need to replace the ownership groups? To me it was just another business deal, that if all panned out great, if not, there really wasnt any harm done. 6) Six teams survived last year, (did he need to mention this incorrect statement yet again)? Teams moved, ownerships changed, but I believe more then 6 teams survived. I know the Pittsburgh team survived, its just moved, and unless the Pittsburgh corporation went bankrupt, it survived, but not listed as one of the 6.. 7) The focus should be on making sure the teams are well financed. Let me get this straight.. First he criticizes the league for brining in newer, stronger team owners, and then he criticized them for making sure they are well financed.. Regardless, if he wants to be a reporter, he needs to verify facts.. are the new teams financed or not? I havent heard of any bills going unpaid so far.. If he's going to accuse them of not being financed, then its his job to list why he feels that way, not just provide another hit and run. 8) his job with the CIFL was mentioned.. totally useless to the AIFA story.. this would be like comparing an individual like Bill Gates, to a company, Apple.. One has nothing to do with the other 9) A house is not built from the attic.. meaning you start from the bottom.. in this industry it starts with strong ownerships, but didnt he just criticize the league for getting stronger owners? |
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Post by Gene on Apr 4, 2008 8:08:12 GMT -5
Bare in mind the person writing these stories is banned by 2 leagues. Its easy to say that he is not gonna paint a positive picture. He's just another one of these jokers who says how much he loves this sport but takes every chance he gets to knock it down.....
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Post by robertboyd on Apr 4, 2008 8:12:55 GMT -5
Bare in mind the person writing these stories is banned by 2 leagues. Its easy to say that he is not gonna paint a positive picture. He's just another one of these jokers who says how much he loves this sport but takes every chance he gets to knock it down..... Yes, and add to that, he paints a great big rosy picture of the CIFL, (which he worked for the league) and then went about criticizing teams of other leagues. Lets be fair.. How many CIFL teams did not pay their bills and changed ownership last year? Or teams folding, (Steubenville for example). I'm holding my breath for the OSC attack story against other leagues.. I'm sure this is just another one of those greatly researched series of hit pieces worthy of a 60 Minute story...  |
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