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Post by Daytonadan on May 13, 2010 22:26:09 GMT -5
then start a league quit bashing others who are trying to start something new That's the problem. This is not something new. It's more of the same failed things done by the same people. No free pass here. If the best you can do is rip someone's hobby, than you've already lost the argument. |
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Post by ThatRadioGuy on May 13, 2010 22:45:05 GMT -5
Hell they're already selling season tickets for Johnstown and Huntington before a schedule or full league is even formed. Yeah that doesn't scream money grab or anything....
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Post by RideTHEstorM on May 13, 2010 23:21:33 GMT -5
I never said Vince Lombardi started a league? I compared your knowledge of Indoor football to his in the game of football period. Judging by your posts you know everything.
So I was sitting here thinking why you Just don't start a league of your own?
But then I stumbled upon the OIFL
The OIFL is make believe right ?
I mean you must have a lot of time on your hands to dedicate a site to a make believe league.
You should make your dreams and everyone else that haines supposedly conned come true.
When everything you say on here is negative, it gets old. Unless you plan on doing something about it which you obviously aren't going to do then let it go. Making negative comments on a message board that was made for the AIFAFANS is not going to get it done.
To be honest it gets quite old.
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Post by RideTHEstorM on May 13, 2010 23:24:12 GMT -5
I never ripped on anyone's hobby
I asked why exit doesnt start his own league
Get together with the right people and make it happen !
Do it for the fans of indoor football !
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Post by Daytonadan on May 14, 2010 0:18:02 GMT -5
Maybe he has his priorities straight and takes care of his family. Anyone can start a league. Maintaining for a long period of time is another story. But regarding Haines. I worked the AIFA. I worked for Haines. Unless he has all the capital needed to run the league properly, he should not be involved and given his track record, the results will be very, very bad. I have no desire to see another AIFA or MAHL. Or for that matter, another Alaska Wild or Ogden Knights. It's old as you say the complaints are. The sports needs an infusion of new blood, new capital, new ideas. It's tiring to see the same stuff happen over and over again. I never ripped on anyone's hobby I asked why exit doesnt start his own league Get together with the right people and make it happen ! Do it for the fans of indoor football ! |
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Post by Gene on May 14, 2010 2:57:07 GMT -5
Hell they're already selling season tickets for Johnstown and Huntington before a schedule or full league is even formed. Yeah that doesn't scream money grab or anything.... Most of the teams are in place and they are just dotting the I's and crossing the T's before they make an official announcement on them. I think its smart that they are taking ticket orders as it gives them more time to add revenue to the new upstart teams. I remember alot of people complaining here about their team(s) in the AIFA not selling tickets till late in the winter. |
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Post by Daytonadan on May 14, 2010 9:05:25 GMT -5
Hell they're already selling season tickets for Johnstown and Huntington before a schedule or full league is even formed. Yeah that doesn't scream money grab or anything.... Most of the teams are in place and they are just dotting the I's and crossing the T's before they make an official announcement on them. I think its smart that they are taking ticket orders as it gives them more time to add revenue to the new upstart teams. I remember alot of people complaining here about their team(s) in the AIFA not selling tickets till late in the winter. Given the track record, I wouldn't write a check until I saw a complete league schedule as well as a refund policy. |
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Post by Daytonadan on May 14, 2010 9:07:51 GMT -5
Also Gene, does this noble endeavor have the owners put up a line of credit so in case we have a Carolina Ghostriders, Ogden Knights or Alaska Wild that the bills and players will be made if and when one of the owners go south? Most of the teams are in place and they are just dotting the I's and crossing the T's before they make an official announcement on them. I think its smart that they are taking ticket orders as it gives them more time to add revenue to the new upstart teams. I remember alot of people complaining here about their team(s) in the AIFA not selling tickets till late in the winter. Given the track record, I wouldn't write a check until I saw a complete league schedule as well as a refund policy. |
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Post by Gene on May 14, 2010 9:12:39 GMT -5
Also Gene, does this noble endeavor have the owners put up a line of credit so in case we have a Carolina Ghostriders, Ogden Knights or Alaska Wild that the bills and players will be made if and when one of the owners go south? Given the track record, I wouldn't write a check until I saw a complete league schedule as well as a refund policy. Well if they get financially stable owners it wont be an issue. Then again, we could argue that with any league. And i agree, i personally wouldnt buy season tix without a schedule & would definately ask about a refund policy/procedure. |
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Post by Daytonadan on May 14, 2010 9:54:27 GMT -5
"Well if they get financially stable owners it wont be an issue."
I respectfully disagree.
The line of credit needs to be there as a back-up in case something goes wrong.
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Post by ThatRadioGuy on May 14, 2010 12:44:20 GMT -5
Any business model needs to include a line of credit for when times get tight. Not the typical, "Oh let's not pay the players or bills and just fold" crap that's happened so many times. It's a miracle sponsors ever put up with that and sponsor new teams in old markets that folded.
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Post by exit322 on May 14, 2010 13:42:08 GMT -5
I never said Vince Lombardi started a league? I compared your knowledge of Indoor football to his in the game of football period. Judging by your posts you know everything. So I was sitting here thinking why you Just don't start a league of your own? But then I stumbled upon the OIFL The OIFL is make believe right ? I mean you must have a lot of time on your hands to dedicate a site to a make believe league. You should make your dreams and everyone else that haines supposedly conned come true. When everything you say on here is negative, it gets old. Unless you plan on doing something about it which you obviously aren't going to do then let it go. Making negative comments on a message board that was made for the AIFAFANS is not going to get it done. To be honest it gets quite old. You are correct, the OIFL is a totally made-up sim league. It really doesn't take that much time, now that I'm nine-plus years into it. Quite simply, you have to have far more cash to effectively run an indoor football league than I have. And I have more than Haines does. I have no interest in running a league, but I will be more than happy to jump down the throat of anyone dumb enough to think you can do it with a bubble gum & duct tape budget. It does not work. It has never worked. It won't work at this level. Now, if the UIFL were to be run on an APFL-style budget with that being clear up front (the APFL is basically semipro, but players probably end up with $300-500 at year's end, some make a little more), then you'd expect and understand hiccups. But this league is clearly trying to show how great they are with the FAB and those sorts of things. And it's the same thing we've seen time and time again. There are safeguards, as mentioned above, that can be used to mitigate any concerns. The UIFL, though, isn't doing that. In fact, things are being put together exactly how it was done in the AIFL. Which, as well you know, is why the AIFA was formed in the first place. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing while expecting a different result. This is insane. |
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Post by exit322 on May 14, 2010 13:43:22 GMT -5
Hell they're already selling season tickets for Johnstown and Huntington before a schedule or full league is even formed. Yeah that doesn't scream money grab or anything.... Most of the teams are in place and they are just dotting the I's and crossing the T's before they make an official announcement on them. I think its smart that they are taking ticket orders as it gives them more time to add revenue to the new upstart teams. I remember alot of people complaining here about their team(s) in the AIFA not selling tickets till late in the winter. If the teams don't have the cash to run things for an entire season up front without any revenues coming in, then they shouldn't be doing this, period. If they need revenue already, the team is already guaranteed to fail. This is why the AF2 never missed a game. There was a required line of credit before every season. Teams were required to put all of their basic operating capital (salaries, rent, insurance, etc) IN ESCROW, and the paychecks were disbursed out of the escrow account by the league, the only party with rights to disburse it. No indoor league does this. And as we see, no indoor league's doing all that hot right now. |
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Post by oipheroes on May 14, 2010 15:56:52 GMT -5
Quick note, neither Johnstown or Huntington are selling tickets yet. Yes, the UIFL website does have a tickets section but you can’t buy any thing.
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Post by Gene on May 14, 2010 23:16:08 GMT -5
Most of the teams are in place and they are just dotting the I's and crossing the T's before they make an official announcement on them. I think its smart that they are taking ticket orders as it gives them more time to add revenue to the new upstart teams. I remember alot of people complaining here about their team(s) in the AIFA not selling tickets till late in the winter. If the teams don't have the cash to run things for an entire season up front without any revenues coming in, then they shouldn't be doing this, period. If they need revenue already, the team is already guaranteed to fail. This is why the AF2 never missed a game. There was a required line of credit before every season. Teams were required to put all of their basic operating capital (salaries, rent, insurance, etc) IN ESCROW, and the paychecks were disbursed out of the escrow account by the league, the only party with rights to disburse it. No indoor league does this. And as we see, no indoor league's doing all that hot right now. Im not disagreeing with you at all. In a perfect world maybe thats how it would and should be done. Expenses are cheaper in the UIFL than the AIFA. Regional play means less overnight hotel stays. Lower league due (50%+ less) and lower franchise fees $25,000.00. With owners putting less out it should help. My only concern with that is that you would get your average Joe who thinks he can afford this and be struggling from the get go. |
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