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Post by Sykotyk on Apr 27, 2008 16:49:05 GMT -5
There are several versions of reasons and rumors floating around. I have been on the phone non stop with several key individuals. Two sides to the coaches leaving. One is the story of them quiting. Another of them being fired. I don't buy the 'fired' part. If they were, the ownership did a HORRIBLE job of preventing this PR nightmare from developing. How is this even an issue? The story is the players haven't been paid and they didn't go to Florence because of it. Regardless of how much they weren't paid, they weren't paid. If they were upset they weren't getting their illicit 'under the table' money, then why not publicize this to prevent, again, this PR nightmare? And with how almost all indoor players who go without pay, why would make players for this particular team walk when they were simply, by this rumor, being shorted, rather than getting nothing? Again, the widely circulated rumor was the players weren't paid. Not that they weren't paid their entire illegal amount. Just simply NOT paid period. Spinning this to be a "Huntington broke the rules and the indoor gods are making them pay for it" does nothing to make this better for either the team or league. First, how the team didn't know about this, or at least the forethought to issue some type of release to misdirect the outcome PRIOR to it becoming public, is ridiculous. Or just borderline ignorant. As for the league 'helping' the team. If they players walked because they weren't getting their extra pay,... what would the league have to help with? Help with finding players who would work for $250/game? Isn't that what all teams are supposed to do already? And, if we're to believe that's all it is (all the high priced players walked when not paid said high price), why the emphasis that Huntington will not be a league-owned team? That only needed to be said if Huntington is financially unable to meet their obligations. If that's the case, there's more to this story than their players not getting more money under the table. So what is it? Denying the Heroes are broke? Or, denying that this player revolt is the case of overpaid babies wanting their illicit compensation? Either way. horrible for the league. Horrible for the team. Sykotyk
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Post by Standard Deviation on Apr 27, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -5
Joe place foot in mouth. I was previously banned for making claims not even as absurd as yours. Keaton would never stand for that, my many conversations with him he awlays made sure every player was at the same $250/game salary. He even said the league allows a player to get paid more, but he didn't want to do that. I do not know who your sources are, but apparently they aren't all the way there. To be honest, we will never know the whole story. I do know that the coaches walked. They were not fired. The players walked, not fired. When breaking the rules, Im certain the last person Keaton would confine in is a fan that lives and breaths on a message board. Believe me, there are teams that break the salary rule every year and it is know to other owners and coaches which ones do. Inthis case, its almost a certainty thats what was going on.
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Post by chaingangjim on Apr 27, 2008 17:58:13 GMT -5
Hey Gang it's me again Let me throw the curve ball at ya! The story that I heard was the players were issued checks as payment and they refused them as a team. When they(the Players) did not except the checks the owner moved mountains to get them cash. Thats all I know on the players side. The coaches on the other hand were also offered checks and they refused and wanted cash. The owner refused and asked them to take the checks and the coaches still insisted they wanted cash. Finally someone offered the coaches cash that night and the coaches refused the payment and said "We want it from the owner not an outside source. Thank you, but this is between the us and the ownership" I heard the coaches were fired on the spot. and I can't agree more on that decision. To me it sounds like a direct shot at the ownership!!!! But the fact is The team is still in 1st place. The team took the field this weekend and 75% of the players are still willing to play. Good luck to the team, fans, and Ownership in Huntington!!! They will stumble at first but don't count them out. :smileyheroes: On a lighter note... I got to meet Joe and scooter last Friday night at the Eire /Mariners game. I wish I could have meant Mitch but we never crossed paths. WHAT A GOOD GROUP OF GUYS!!!
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Post by Free Agent Fan on Apr 27, 2008 18:21:47 GMT -5
ChaingangJim is the closest to the the story yet. Again I can't go into details on what was said and by whom. But, his version is the closest to the truth.
Nice meeting you also Jim.
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Post by matt on Apr 27, 2008 19:09:09 GMT -5
why would you want to a check that just bounces? At least you can spend cash....the last time I checked.
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Post by gonzo13 on Apr 27, 2008 19:12:32 GMT -5
I don't give a damn how much anybody was or was not being paid, or wheather or not it's the owners, or the coaches, or the players fault.
The fact is, a team failed to show up for a game on Friday night. Replacement players took the field, got the crap kicked out of them, and paying fans were cheated.
It's bad for Huntington, but it's worse for the league.
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Post by theherohimself on Apr 27, 2008 19:39:18 GMT -5
Its amazing how some people think to know everything. I don't claim to know everything that transpired. I do know, though some things that did not go down. For your guys "listening" in from a far, just please put a sock in it. You will hear what you want to hear, what makes you look like a better person. To who's fault it is? I agree with Gonzo, but with one extra little shout out. The blame falls, not matter what, on the league. If any of these bad things were true surrounding players and coaches, the league would have known about it. They would be the ones who could prevent a fallout. Nothing like that ever happened though did it? So, I draw my conclusion that these "things" actually never happened!
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Post by chaingangjim on Apr 27, 2008 20:39:28 GMT -5
A) I did not claim to know everything and I don't need to feel like a better person. (I don't really care what people think about me)
B) I am not listening from a far. Some of my info came from the Heroes camp last week before the rumors started.(probably before you knew and had second hand info)
C) How do you know if the cash flow did not come from the league itself? Those coaches should have thought before their actions. If I owned the team I would have fired them too!!!!(so far that has been my only opinion in this)
D) you draw your "conclusion that these "things" actually never happened!" and tell me that I don't know what I am talking about. Ask the owner what happen. It sounds like the "MOST"of the players don't have problem with it either.
Dude I am on you side. No one wants to see something like this go down. But truth of the matter is it did!!! How is a owner to get cash for a group of people anyway when the banks are closed at the time??? It was way out of line.
Hold your head up Bro!!! Rethink some of the sources and when the smoke clears I think things will work out.
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Post by matt on Apr 28, 2008 6:04:59 GMT -5
They should have been paid well before then to begin with, so really there is no argument.
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Post by lionsroar on Apr 28, 2008 6:58:01 GMT -5
how do you pay them before services?
I don't know anything here but unless they hadn't been paid from weeks previous then I don't see their arguement. I never get paid in advance for my work as I'm sure most of you do not either.
If they were worried about getting paid for the Florence game then they should have played it first but if they were worried about back pay they hadn't received from previous games then shame on the Heroes and the League for allowing such happenings!
If you cheat your product the people supporting will not want to be a part from coaches, to players, to fans that will be the breaking point of the teams existence!
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Post by theherohimself on Apr 28, 2008 7:49:20 GMT -5
Heroes4528 from HeroesFans.com (former assistant coach of Huntington Heroes) Well, I just talked to one of the Arena staff members who had a conversation with Barbie (while Brent was changing all the locks to keep us out).
Here is what your going to hear: "We love Coach Keaton and we really wanted him here" "We're doing everything we can"
Are you f'ing kidding me???
Your going to hear a lot of BS and I'm sure you guys/gals are smart enough to know it when you hear it. If your unsure, just ask me and I'll tell you the TRUTH. They've wanted him out of here since the day they took over the team. For one reason, Coach couldn't be a puppet for them. Brent actually had the nerve to say how we put him "behind the 8 ball" because now he has to pay those replacement players that played in Florence.... Well, if he would have payed the players he was supposed to be paying we wouldn't be having this conversation. He fired Coach Johnson for having loyalty and integrity. They can tell you what they want, but I was in the room. If you want to know how your owners are running things, just ask them on the field after the game. Ask the things that you want to know. They owe you that. If they try to spit some BS, call them out on it. If you know what you want to ask about what has happened, ask me first... I'll give you the real answer, then ask them to see what kind of response you get. You'll have the info to call them out on it. Now, I know this can easily be seen as me hating on them (I guess it is a lil bit...) but after hearing what I just heard, I really don't want this thing to be put in the spin cycle. I know I've talked about how hard those 2 guys have worked but d**n IT, I HAVE TOO!!!
Back to the puppet thing... They/he also told coach that all coaching staff and player signings and cuts would be up to them, not coach. Now, I agree that being the owners of a team there should be a general agreement on hirings/firings. But you can't have an owner tell you who needs to be playing on the D-line. Can they have an opinion, yes but do they do the recruiting and watch the game film... no. Unacceptable... They have major rolea as owners.... handle business, pay bills, pay payroll, stand in the "luxury box" and watch your team kick everyones ass (especially this team). Let the Coaches do their job... then pay them for it!
Two things.... Do what's right and do right things.... Neither has been done.
edited by The Man, The Myth - Took out the quote to make it easier to read.
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Post by uwishuknew on Apr 28, 2008 15:05:22 GMT -5
how do you pay them before services? I don't know anything here but unless they hadn't been paid from weeks previous then I don't see their arguement. I never get paid in advance for my work as I'm sure most of you do not either. If they were worried about getting paid for the Florence game then they should have played it first but if they were worried about back pay they hadn't received from previous games then shame on the Heroes and the League for allowing such happenings! If you cheat your product the people supporting will not want to be a part from coaches, to players, to fans that will be the breaking point of the teams existence! Well maybe not actually pay them before the game but have the money to pay them before the game that way they could be paid after the game. I wouldn't want a check either if i hadn't been paid for previous games. There really isn't much that could be done by the league. Bottom line is that Huntington should of had the money to pay the players before hand. I feel the players had every right to ask to be paid before hand, i know if i was working and not getting paid i would either ask for the money before i work again or quit.
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Post by The Grim Reaper on Apr 28, 2008 21:38:28 GMT -5
Its amazing how some people think to know everything. I don't claim to know everything that transpired. I do know, though some things that did not go down. For your guys "listening" in from a far, just please put a sock in it. You will hear what you want to hear, what makes you look like a better person. To who's fault it is? I agree with Gonzo, but with one extra little shout out. The blame falls, not matter what, on the league. If any of these bad things were true surrounding players and coaches, the league would have known about it. They would be the ones who could prevent a fallout. Nothing like that ever happened though did it? So, I draw my conclusion that these "things" actually never happened! Funny how people outside of WVA know more that the ones that drink beer and shout obscenities in a public parking lot do. Is this being or not being man enough to take the truth.
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Post by theherohimself on Apr 29, 2008 10:57:06 GMT -5
Here we go with "Stop Hurting Indoor Football" banner bs again. I am going to start saying that for everything I suppose. ie. When someone at my store forgets to count the change when closing out their drawer, I will put a "Stop hurting Indoor football" sticker on thier eval.
The Truth, not man enough to face the truth? What truth am I suppose to man up and face? The truth, that the Heroes may not be around by season's end? We all have to face that truth buddy boy. Everyone in this league will look at season's end and count how many teams were ultimately gone before the playoffs even start. The truth, that the Phantoms couldn't beat the real Heroes? The truth, that like many teams, the Phantoms cheat for a win? The truth, that the West was indeed a failure from the get go? The truth, is out there for us all to face. So get your head out of the sand (hey this applies to lots of people!) and face the truth.
This is in no way affliated to the x-files!
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Post by theherohimself on Apr 29, 2008 11:07:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah i forgot to add new Huntington DB!
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