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Post by The Picks Commissioner on Mar 14, 2007 18:25:20 GMT -5
The Riverhawks have co-owners. They're James Wallace and Mike Dawson. |
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Post by alcrowe13 on Mar 14, 2007 19:46:53 GMT -5
With proper marketing and making the fans aware of the game, etc. and having the proper promotions to draw the fans, this game can work just about anywhere. It is all a matter of how hard the owners want to work at it.
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Post by Sykotyk on Mar 14, 2007 20:17:44 GMT -5
This is Johnstown's 3rd team and 3rd different league for this football organization. In 2000 they played in the Indoor Football League as the Johnstown Jackals that team folded. A few years later the Johnstown team would be renamed the J-Dogs in the NIFL and then that team folded. Now their struggling as the Riverhawks in the AIFA. Indoor football just isn't clicking in this town. The Jackals existed in 1999 and 2000 in the IFL. When Kerry Ecklund sold the IFL to Orlando Predators Entertainment (OPE), he sold the name and logo of all the IFL teams. OPE only managed to get three IFL teams into the AF2 (Peoria Pirates, Lincoln Lightning, and Wichita Steath (formerly a different name)). All the other IFL teams had to scramble to find ownership to head the financing and organize, and were suckered in by Carolyn Shiver, who took her team and got a few other followers, to leave the IPFL and form the NIFL. That's where the NIFL got a lot of their original teams. A few of the teams that didn't make the jump were Flint, Erie, and Dayton. Because the Johnstown team had lost their name with the OPE deal, they named themselves the J-Dogs, in homage to their former name, the Jackals. That team lasted one year in the NIFL (only divisional opponents were the Ohio Valley Greyhounds in Wheeling, WV and the RiverCities Locomotives in Huntington, WV). It took for the Topeka Knights of the IFL, to the Tennessee ThunderCats of the IPFL, to the Tennessee ThunderCats of the NIFL, to the Tennessee RiverHawks of the NIFL, to the Greenville (S.C.) RiverHawks of the NIFL, before the team was moved and sold to Brian Schwelling and relocated to Johnstown, PA. Sykotyk |
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Post by UnoBomber on Mar 14, 2007 20:41:44 GMT -5
After the Freeze lost to the Riverhawks, I said in the long run it probably wouldn't matter. This is what I was getting at... Marketing should be numero UNO  . But seriously, you have to give some to get some. Any team could not spend any cash and say they made a profit. Using that kind of strategy, will be the thing that kills the organization. |
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Post by exit322 on Mar 14, 2007 21:00:50 GMT -5
Have any of those teams marketed?
The J-Dogs are the Jackals with outside ownership...when they drew well as the Jackals, the IFL enforced quite a bit of marketing for each of its teams, so the community knew they were there.
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Post by scooter on Mar 14, 2007 21:17:21 GMT -5
It's a shame because they had what I would call "good" marketing last year. We were at our pre game meal for our game down there last saeson and we were watching the NFL Draft on ESPN. A commercial for the Hawks came on touting that evenings matchup between the Hawks and the Freeze. It even showed start to finish footage of the 2005 Freeze at Hawks game. One of the best we saw last season!
Good Luck to them, I hope it all gets worked out!
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Post by loco on Mar 14, 2007 21:23:45 GMT -5
Sykotyk is right on the money. A product only sells when people want it. If they don't want it, they won't buy it.
If you would have told me 15 years ago that independent baseball would become a healthy competitor to affiliated teams I'd have laughed in your face. They were originally called the "beer leagues" b/c purists thought these would be gung-ho wannabes and over the hill vets who couldn't stay on a franchise's roster.
Most indy teams are well operated, and that's because their staffs actively pursue thevalue of their product to the economic impact of their communities. That isn't an easy sell!!!
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Post by ha lol on Mar 16, 2007 2:20:21 GMT -5
THINGS ARE NOT PERFECT IN JOHNSTOWN BY FAR.. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FOLD.AND AT THE HOME OPENER THERE WERE WAY MORE PEOPLE THAN 7 OR 800...STOP HATIN.THE TEAM IS IN GOOD SPIRITS AND STICKING TOGETHER READY TO CONTINUE TO WIN.YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT OWNERS NEEDING TO DO MORE AND HAVE MORE MONEY TO WORK WITH.RIVERHAWKS ARE NOT FOLDING
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Post by Sykotyk on Mar 16, 2007 3:07:36 GMT -5
You take a bit of a hit to your credibility by posting in all caps. As for other people, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're 'hatin'. Going to the basest argument of who is or isn't the 'bad guy' will give you tons more respect from those on this board. Feigning torment by being unduly prosecuted for being a 'good guy' in a situation is not a way to win arguments.
Sykotyk
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Post by Tatonka on Mar 16, 2007 12:36:19 GMT -5
I think it's time to go back to registration for posting...
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Post by Standard Deviation on Mar 16, 2007 18:11:20 GMT -5
I heard the league was stepping in and taking over cause the owner is low on capital.
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Post by Sykotyk on Mar 16, 2007 22:15:37 GMT -5
The league steps in it often, but I haven't heard anything of them helping out.
Sykotyk
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Post by Catfish on Mar 16, 2007 22:33:34 GMT -5
Anybody got any idea the amount of dues each team pays to be a part of the league? I wonder if those funds are not used to help a franchise in trouble?
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Post by Free Agent Fan on Mar 17, 2007 1:08:36 GMT -5
I heard today that the heads of the league were in J'town for 2 days this week. I didn't here what came of it tho.
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Post by Tatonka on Mar 17, 2007 7:33:50 GMT -5
$800 to $1000 is normal, but I don't know what it is this season for the AIFA. In some leagues I'm more familiar with, it's the dues to the league that pays for the championship rings, the end of season trophies, and in some cases, the travel expenses for the players selected to the All-Star Game.
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Can someone find what is going on with the riverhawks, It is said that they have no owner. I would like to know?
. But seriously, you have to give some to get some. Any team could not spend any cash and say they made a profit. Using that kind of strategy, will be the thing that kills the organization.
